John Skiba - 02:09pm Apr 23, 2002 PST (#1476 of 1481) As the three stooges once said, if there were four of us this wouldn't work. Dan, Here is what I have for RISE & FALL. My copy is unpunched so it may not be exactly correct. The following counts I am sure of. Each color faction(green,black,white,yellow,blue and red)has the following: 25 Inf 15 Cavalry 20 Forts 10 Ships 1 Leader 1 Capital 6 blanks ========================== sub total of 468 counters plus (these last two totals I am not sure of) 34 Independent Kingdom Inf 72 Star Markers ======================================= GRAND TOTAL of 574 counters Hope this helps.