Arthur Goodwin - 11:47am Jun 27, 2002 PST (#395 of 400) Simon Strevens: #1a) May a 7MP unit retreat into an owned, but unoccupied hex in an enemy ZOC without being cadre/Eliminated? #1b) May a 7MP unit retreat into an owned, but unoccupied hex in an enemy ZOC without being cadred/eliminated while carting 1sp? #2) Forming units can be part of a garrison but count at half RE size. AEG: #1a) No. The special ability of units with a printed movement rating of 6, 7, or 8 to ignore ZOCs when retreating (including retreats before combat) only applies if the unit retreats to a friendly-owned/occupied hex. If it retreats to a friendly-owned, but unoccupied hex, it would be subject to elimination/reduction to cadre/remnant due to the retreat. #1b) No. #2) You are correct. This does leave the Germans in SW Africa short 1 RE towards their garrison requirement. In this instance I would go with the historical deployment overriding the garrison requirement. Arthur, GRD Games -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Simon Strevens - 10:31am Jun 28, 2002 PST (#396 of 400) Arthur, thanks for those answers, that clears up several other points too. anyway here's some more..... 1) Rule 15G may besieged units leave the hex? seems wrong but cant see where it's forbidden. 2)When using river transportation capability, not RT units, do you have to plan an invasion 1 turn in advance if intending to land in enemy controlled hexes? 3) Africa only vps. as a territory can only be conquered in the entente initial phase does this imply that togoland always costs the entente at least one 10vp as it may not be conquered till start of sep? TIA simon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arthur Goodwin - 06:27pm Jun 29, 2002 PST (#397 of 400) Simon Strevens: Some more questions. #1) Rule 15G may besieged units leave the hex? Seems wrong but I can't see where it's forbidden. #2) When using river transportation capability, not RT units, do you have to plan an invasion 1 turn in advance if intending to land in enemy-controlled hexes? #3) Africa only VPs - As a territory can only be conquered in the Entente initial phase, does this imply that Togoland always costs the Entente at least one 10 VP loss, as it may not be conquered till the start of September? AEG: #1) Good point. You are right in that the rule does not prohibit this. But it should, and I will amend the 2nd bullet to Rule 15G (Siege) in The Great War Ground Rules booklet to state: "Units of the besieged player may only enter or leave a hex under siege by means of air or naval transport..." #2) No, as river movement into enemy territory is not an amphibious landing. Design Note: River movement uses local small craft that can be rounded up in a very short period of time, without giving the enemy any real warning; using a RT or regular naval units to make an amphibious landing is a much more involved process. #3) No. Rule 44E2a (Africa-Only VP Awards) in the Over There Game-Specific Rules booklet, says the Entente loses 10 VPs for each turn after Aug 14 in which Togoland is not Entente-conquered. The Entente loses VPs for each turn after Aug 14 in which Togoland is unconquered. If the Entente conquers Togoland before the end of the Sep 14 turn, then Togoland is conquered during Sep I 14 and no VPs are lost. Maybe this would be clearer if "for each turn after Aug 14" were changed to read "for each full turn after Aug 14. Arthur, GRD Games