From: redmond simonsen, rsimonsen@bix.com To: Allan Bell, abell@apple.com.au Allan: Answer "B" in both cases is my reading. Understand I haven't looked at ATH in several years. Is DECISION going to do anything with the game? Regards, --Redmond -------- Original Message -------- Return-path: Received: from bix.com by bix.com (CoSy3.46) id <9705151544.memo.72424@BIX.com>; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com ("ident: connection not in use [20797,25] port 20797"@bos1d.delphi.com [199.93.4.4]) by bix.com (BIX mail 1.0); Thu, 15 May 1997 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apple.com.au ("port 2109"@apple.com.au) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #22009) with ESMTP id <01IIWJR3HEGG9PJVW9@delphi.com> for rsimonsen@mr.bix.com; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:42:52 EDT Received: from [209.0.58.249] by apple.com.au with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.1.2); Fri, 16 May 1997 05:42:37 +1100 From: abell@apple.com.au Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 05:39:44 +1000 To: redmond simonsen Cc: Matthew Taylor , Chris Fawcett , Alan Poulter , Gordon Bliss , Mike Wrazen , Matthew Taylor , "Bryan Jackson," Message-id: <1348361139-2794712@apple.com.au> Subject: Need ruling on After the Holocaust MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 Hi Redmond, You may remember we spoke before about the HyperCard stack I put together on "After the Holocaust". btw, it turns out that Decision do own the rights to After the Holocaust. Anyway, I'm in need of a favour. In a play by email game of After the Holocaust that I am GM'ing two rules questions have come up that we can't resolve. I was wondering if you might be able to resolve them for us. I'll express them in terms of the case for and against based on readings of the relevant rules. Issue 1: Social State determination ----------------------------------- The question is whether it is possible for a region to be at social state 1 by spending 4 CPs (1 each in Farm, Metal, Industry and Transport) rather than 5. This would be done by not putting any labour into, in this case, the Fuel Sector. Being at Social State 1 is very valuable because it allows you to hold plebiscites. A: The case in favour. Rule 5.2 states "This means that if he has all five sectors (Farm, Metal, Fuel, Industry and Transport) he must expend at least five Consumer Points during the Consumption Round". This seems to imply that if there is no labour in, say, Fuel then you don't "have" that sector and so no consumer points need to be spent there to maintain social state 1. B: The case against. Rule 11.3 states "Sector State 1: At least one Consumer Point expended (for any number of Labor points)". As "any" includes zero then having zero Labour points in the Fuel sector means that you would have to spend a consumer point to be at sector state 1. Of course, if there is no labour point you CANNOT spend a consumer point there so a sector without labour can only ever be at Sector State 0. So without a labour point in each sector and a consumer point spent in each sector you cannot get to social state 1. Issue 2: Strikes ---------------- The question is how to determine the deprived labour points. Is it by adding up all labour points in sectors that did not have a sector state equal to the highest in your economy? eg if 1 cp is given to the Farm and Industry sectors (giving them sector state 1) then the total deprived labour is the total of the labour in your Fuel, Metal and Transport sectors (as these sectors had sector state 0). A: The case for. The example in 11.61 clearly refers to Sector State - 'one CP on each Metal worker [for SS2] but only one point for all 30 farmers {for SS1]' - when calculating deprived Labour points. B: The case against. If this was the rule then example 11.61 would have 30 deprived farmers not the 29 it says. The proper procedure is to total all labour points not given a consumer point in the economy. How the distributed consumer points were given out across the sectors does not matter. -------------- If you can help with this it would be gratefully appreciated. thanks, Allan Bell ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------